Curse

Lambentviper · Jun 26, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

i like the upgrade, and i noticed a sword-sin in RA yesterday who hit my ranger for 82 damage and i was like, "wtf!?

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Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 26, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Oh lord, a sin with a sword, I am really scared for the sins now, looks like another "tank" build. X.X Sin's can only use daggers for hit and run(which is a must) and bows for crit barrage. NO MORE TANKS WE ARENT TANKS!

Rikimaru · Jun 26, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

This isn't a tank. I Think it does survive well enouph to be up there slashing away though.

You think 82 damage is bad? Lol
If an assassin survives long enouph to get up 10 adrenaline, they can do 100+ with Final Thrust. One that uses FT is horrible though, I've tried it. Assassin + Adrenaline requirement = never going to land a skill.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 26, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I still think an assassin shoukld only be in battle for about 10 secs at the most, this build needs a minute or two that's 50-110 seconds overtime, in which only 15-30 secs is needed to drop a sin, quite possible less. I do not discredit your idea I am just saying that this is the opposite direction we need the sin populous going.

S H I N O B I · Jun 26, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Rikimaru - What happened to "Wild Blow" which was initially in your build? Isnt there a risk of losing Crit Def without it?

Kijik Oni Hanryuu - I understand your point, but IMO being forced to use a single play style is also kinda bad.... Most Classes have a variety of play styles you can use, I think its only fair that the Assassin be treated the same... I don't believe this build will make a person think its a tank, rather, I think this build will help keep the assassin in the fight for a longer duration compared to the usual hit and run play style.

Rikimaru · Jun 27, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

You should try it Shinobi, there's no need at all for Wild Blow with it. Besides, every one of those skills are necessary to the build. I Could have taken Wild Blow over Seeking Blade, but that 1 second less reset makes a difference, and Seeking Blade does more damage.
The only things that will make you have a risk of losing Critical Defenses is blind (which would take it out whether you had WB or not) or block/evade stances. And Seeking Blade should critical consistantly enouph through one to keep it up. You could take WB instead if you wanted, but you would be sacrificing damage for more security in maintaining the enchantment.

Now that I think about it, the odds of it criticaling aren't good enouph to keap it up for long if they're dodging/blocking, and you could use it to end stuff like Tiger's Fury. I Still use it because of the extra damage though.
The problem is that, if you've seen how often this build scores criticals, an attack with an auto-critical as the only enhancement to damage isn't real appealing.

Rikimaru · Jun 27, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Wow, I just tried this out in Random Arena earlier. It might have been sort of a fluke, since I had a touch ranger on my team (I was never paying attention to where he was) but I was completely tearing casters apart within seconds.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 27, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Ya know I was thinking about it too Shinobi and I think Riki you should mark this as *smart sins only* I can see this build being great in the future, once the sin hate dies down, but for now I think we need the entire sin populus to do something that won't get them hurt, later, once things have calmed down, the elites of us can start bneing teh owningest 1337 maniacs with this build :-P

Rikimaru · Jun 28, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I Switched Seeking Blade for Gash. With the damage that Gash puts out, the amount of bleeding this build causes, and the crazy attack speed, it was flat out stupid of me not to have put Gash there in the first place.

For some reason though, this build seems to die more easily than when I was using daggers... and I'm talking about going against casters. Because of CD, melee characters can't do much against me unless they do something so that I can't hit them and I lose it.

Turns out I was wrong, this doesn't die more easily than a dagger build, it's just that the build is a giant rapid button-masher, so it was hard for me to pay attention to things like hexes while using one skill after another. I was probably being taken out by stuff like Empathy, SS or Incidious Parasite.

Rikimaru · Jun 30, 2006, 04:55 AM // 04:55

I've played this in PvP alot now, and it does pretty well. I Don't remember how well it does compared to the dagger builds I've ran, but it's great. The only times I've gotten really messed up with it so far is when I get spiked by a few characters at once... which happens a lot in Alliance Battles. Apparently I'm a high-priority target though.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 30, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Sins always are a high priority target in AB, they can cap CPs alone, they can take out any selected target, they're just too damn good. Blinding Flash eles need to be high priority targets too X.X

Tingi · Jun 30, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

thats one bad assassin build, hundred blades is one of the worst elites in the game, and flurry...is jst plain crap.

gbgestey · Jun 30, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Man, I CAN NOT get over how friendly everyone is in this forum? Look, just because you may not agree with choices of skills for his build doesn't mean it is crap or that you should put him down for trying it.

Rikimaru · Jun 30, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I Already said in the OP that most people think those skills are worthless, and that they kind of are, but that the crazy critical-hit rate makes them work well.
Honestly, HB is still a little junky, but there's no better elite I could have used for this build. That's the problem with both warriors and assassins having pretty gimp elites in general...

audioaxes · Jun 30, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

i dont see how this is better than a normal swords warrior

Lambentviper · Jun 30, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

more energy, more energy regen, cooler armor, better attack animations, AND

if those dont float your boat, lets get more technical

This A/W takes advantage of the Assassins attribute: Critical Strikes.

And wudda ya know!? Its not available to non-assassin primaries!!

This build is better because it lets you dodge a bunch of attacks while hitting for super-bravo damage from Critical Strikes

salamanteri · Jun 30, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

That elite is a problem with this build. It's only avaible in last prophecie's mission.I would otherwise test this.

Rikimaru · Jun 30, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

You can also get it from the explorable version of that mission where you fight the 4 constructs after taking out the 4 spirits protecting Shiro. The Warrior Construct has it. You can get it in the mission itself too, but I've heard the 4 classes the bosses are is random.

Yanman.be · Jun 30, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

I think I've seen someone with this build in RA like 2 hours ago...he was a pvp character, with an uncustomized Victo's Blade...he said it was better than any PvP sword. Go figure. ( Was it you Rikimaru? His name was Shing Jea ******** ( not posting names )

If you like Critical Hits, you should try axes....those hit even harder on crits

Rikimaru · Jul 01, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

It wasn't me. My only character is Kyo Onimura. Also, my sword is a Zealous Fellblade of Enchanting.
I've been running into some sword assassins too though. I Ran into a really crappy one in Aspenwood (using a different build).

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I Think it's really cool whenever I see one, because I had never seen any before I posted this build.